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Drumhead Magazine September/October 2008
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WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG
Ronnie Vannucci began playing drums while still in single digits.
His parents were very supportive of his musical interests, even to
the point of buying Louie Bellson's ping ride right off of the kit
at a drum clinic. He credits his family with nurturing his love of
music. "My parents' record collection was my record
collection for my first fifteen years," he says. "They exposed me to
great drummers like Art Blakey, [Papa] Jo Jones, Louie Bellson and
Buddy Rich. Grandma introduced me to the great show drummers, while
dad always had the deep cuts. Early on it was much more difficult
for me to play backbeat than to play some wild, off-kilter stuff.
All of the African influences that those drummers were playing
translated into a sort of audio pig latin that I was able to
recreate. I just didn't fully 'get' where they were coming from. Now
I have much more respect and understanding for what they were
doing." After a few years of playing and listening, it became the
drummers of Steely Dan [Gadd, Porcaro, Purdie] and the legendary
rock drummers [Bonham, Mitchell, Baker] who began to influence him.
Ever the open minded and eclectic listener, he began to take an
interest in punk and brit pop in high school.
The summer following high school graduation he played in a Ska band
called Atta Boy Skip. "It was kind of an accident that we even
played shows," Ronnie continues. "We were just jamming, and one of
the guys had a tape and got us a gig opening for some bands. There
wasn't even a real band at that point, so we scrambled to get some
friends of ours to play with us. We played the show and went over
huge. It was actually a very popular band. I learned about just
having fun again. We weren't worried about making it or anything.
About two or three years after that Ted [Soblay] and I were in
another band together called Expert On October. We were young with
lots of ideas. It grew into a band that really thought a lot about
how to make the music great. I learned so much from being in that
band. I wouldn't ge the player I am today if not for that situation.
It was a way to learn what to do and what not to do."
Recognizing his need and desire to grow even more, Ronnie enrolled
in the music department at University of Nevada Las Vegas (UNLV). He
fondly recalls his peers and instructors there. The "studio" (the
group of students known as the studio) was never about blazing
singles, although there was plenty of technique and discussion of
its us. Ronnie says, "It was always about being musical. It was
interesting to me to see students like myself struggling with their
sense of identity. Whether to become mesmerized by technique for its
own sake, or to use it to serve the purpose of the music."
MR. BRIGHTSIDE
It was during this time that Ronnie met some local musicians and
formed the band The Killers. Leaving UNLV was difficult, but some
unexpected support made it easier. "I went to talk to [Associate
Dean of the College of Fine Arts and Director of Percussion Studies
at UNLV] Dean Gronemeir and tell him I was leaving. I told him I was
in this band and that we were going to make it. He said, 'Vannucci,
step into my office.' I played the tape we had (the four song demo
that would become the foundation for Hot Fuss). To my
surprise he agreed and said he thought we could do it. He wished me
well. I left his office with a new respect for educators. I still
have a great relationship to this day with the people in that
department because of their attitude."
Dr. Timothy A. Jones (currently serving as lecturer in Percussion
Studies at UNLV) vividly remembers a young Ronnie Vannucci when he
studied at the university. He remembers Tonnie as being easy going,
yet very energetic and with a lot of motivation. "He seemed unphased
if something unexpected happened or he was thrown a curve ball. One
day all his sticks and mallets were stolen out of the back of his
jeep. He said, "Oh well, it was time to get some new stuff anyway.'
He just hoped the person that took them got some good out of the
stuff." recalls Jones.
Jones continues, "Ronnie was very supportive of his classmates. He
always had a compliment or constructive thing to say. That can be
rare in the academic world. A lot of times there is a competition
with people feeling that they need to be better or put the other
person down so that they feel good about themselves. That was never
Ronnie's way. He would always say, 'that's great' or 'show me how
you do that.'" He saw the talent in what different players had and
wanted to learn from that. Of course, he wasn't lacking in the
talent department himself." Jones states that even then Vannucci had
a meticulous work ethic. "If he had to do multiple takes, over and
over, it didn't matter. His attitude was what you had to do whatever
was necessary to get it right." Although the student always came
across as confident Jones says that Ronnie would be the first to
admit his own shortcomings. "I remember there was this four mallet
thing that wasn't quite there and he knew it, but he knew that he
was headed in the right direction."
What did the college years Ronnie Vannucci sound like? Jones says,
"There was an energy in his playing. There was always this sense
that the listeners were waiting when he performed because they knew
that it was going to be different. He was always a dynamic player.
You knew that you weren't going to see someone just 'walk through' a
piece of music or performance. Ronnie injected his personality into
any situation whether it was a solo or ensemble performance. There
was always a surprise, sometimes intentional, sometimes not. Either
way he could roll with it and make something good happen. It's easy
to get stressed out in some of these orchestra situations but not
for Ronnie. If things went left he'd go left. If it went right he'd
go right. You could always rest assured that he'd get everyone
through it all right and make it impressive along the way."
Jones also notes that Ronnie's theory, composition and reading
skills were top notch. In April of '08 Vannucci played at a marimba
festival at UNLV. Dr. Jones proudly remarked that his former student
still plays and sight reads very well. When he heard Ronnie's plan
to leave school in pursuit of the rock'n'roll dream, his reaction
was quite different than Gronemeir, but Vannucci's cool composure
won the educator over. "I asked if he was sure he wanted to leave
for this rock band. Ronnie was one or two semesters short of
graduating. He said that he'd take a semester off and see where it
went. If nothing happened he could come right back and finish
school. He was so relaxed and cool about it that it didn't seem so
crazy. I think it's working out." (laughs)
WHAT'S THE BUZZ
That was 2002. Six years later the band has sold over 12 million
records, done many world tours and has one of the most recognizable
(and copied) sounds in today's music scene. In a world or pop idols
and hip hop artists that rule popular radio, that is no small feat.
Being the "odd man out" is not new to The Killers. When the demo for
Hot Fuss created a serious buzz in the U.S., the band was
courted by many major labels. "We were taken out to a lot of nice
dinners," Ronnie says. "It was an odd situation. I got really tired
of seeing all these A&R guys in the crowd texting on their
Blackberries and looking around to see who was into us. The labels
were interested but unsure because our sound was so different from
what was going on with popular music. We finally signed with UK
indie label Lizard King [now Marrakesh] because they believed in us.
To their credit, Island Records here in the states got on board as
well."
Being the unpopular kid who suddenly becomes popular is mirrored in
Vannucci's drum career as well. "When I was in school," he
continues, "I was using these old, big K cymbals that I'd played
forever. I love the sound of a dark 24-inch ride. At that time
smaller, bright cymbals were in style. People would look at me like
what are you doing? It was the sound I wanted to hear, so I stuck
with it. I just recently gave a quote to Zildjian for a 24-inch
ride. Now it seems cool to like that sound, but I've always thought
it was cool." Turn on rock radio and you'll hear bands copying The
Killers sound the same way drummers are being influenced by Ronnie's
sonic presence.
BONES
Hot Fuss, the first Killers release in 2004 introduced the
band's neo-retro sound. It gained notoriety and critical acclaim for
the band. Sam's Town (2006) was a more adventurous recording
that attempted to capture the ferocity of the live band. The band
recorded Sam's Town with producer Flood at the helm. It was
recorded quickly and released "warts and all." It was a situation
that Vannucci in particular was uncomfortable with, at first. "I was
uneasy," says Ronnie, "I thought people were going to hear the
mistakes and think I was terrible. I've learned to like the uneasy
tension. It helps the music. At the end of the day you're not making
a drum solo record. It's about whatever is best for the song, even
if that includes mistakes."
In preparation for their third release, The Killers continue to
shake things up from the status quo. They started with taking more
than five months off after they finished the tour supporting
Sam's Town. With producer Stuart Price (Madonna, Missy Elliott,
Gwen Stefani, Seal) overseeing the sessions, the band got together
even while they were apart. The band took advantage of current
technology to have "virtual band practices". While taking some time
to decompress in different parts of the world, the members could
listen to what someone else had done and critique or add to it.
Vannucci loved this process, "It was a great way to work. I would
demo stuff at home in my bedroom studio and then post it. It would
be a raw track. I might go on a day or two later and Stuart or one
of the guys would have done something to it that would make it sound
even better. By the time we got together in the same room we had all
of these individual demos that we could record as band demos."
THIS RIVER IS WILD
When it comes to actually writing the songs Vannussi says that there
is no one way that the band approaches new material. Each member is
allowed input with the understanding that what's best for the song
is paramount. This applies even to the drum parts. While some
drummers may be guarded about what sounds "right" or presents them
in the best light, Ronnie welcomes outside input. "A lot of times
someone who doesn't evem play drums will have the best ideas," he
says. "They haven't been trained to think like a drummer, so they
don't have all of that "stuff" getting in the way of what would be
the most appropriate thing to play." Even though he loves hearing
great drummers, it's not about the drums standing out. "When you're
in a band you shouldn't be playing like a solo artist. You're in a
band! Sometimes a part can be fun to hear or watch as a drummer but
it's not what's best for the song. The real gift as a musician is
bringing to the table something that makes the song better. I'm a
drummer, so how am I going to make this song recognizable to
millions of people, not just the drummers. How is it going to propel
the song? That's everyone's job whether they're a singer, guitarist,
whatever."
What can be expected from the new material? The drummer jokes that
fans of the movie Arthur will appreciate the saxophone on the new
record. "We're definitely pushing some boundaries. We've all become
better songwriters and I think it really shows. Out of everything
that we've created, I feel like we've reached a milestone. I'm so
proud of what we've done on this one!" Ronnie exclaims. His approach
to the drumming on this one has been one of hearkening back to those
early influences, listening to bands like Steely Dan and Spyro Gyra.
"We might lose some fans, but those who appreciate a good song, and
the occasional tenor saxophone, will love it," he laughs.
According to Vannucci, Stuart is a big reason for the way that the
drums and the band sound the way they do on this record. "He's such
a creative guy. He has so many ideas about how to get sounds. He
makes this experience exciting and fun. It almost seems like the
rules don't apply, it's whatever gets you there. I used to think
that the studio is the place where the board and all of the gear,
etc. is. Stuart has really helped me open my eyes to what the studio
is: it's where you get the sound and vibe happening. It's the
creative recording process, not the building. It might be a huge
room or your bedroom or a closet. Part of the reason that Hot
Fuss sounded so great was that it was a demo. We started out
with four songs to get gigs. There was an energy in those demo
recordings that wasn't overly thought out or perfected. That's what
is great about music, that energy."
The whole approach for this recording is that antithesis of what
most would consider standard operating procedure. He says, "Brandon
[Flowers, vocals/keyboards] and I were going to eat lunch one day
and turned on the radio. Everything we heard was so dead on perfect.
There wasn't any give." While most bands and producers are using
Beat Detective or Pro Tools to perfect the drums tracks, Vannucci
and Price are taking great lengths to distance themselves from these
methods. Price feels that you use these tools if you have a musician
that can't get a good take, but ONLY in that instance. Ronnie
states, "There's an overuse of things like Beat Detective. Some
people use them because they're lazy. When you get everything lines
up perfectly it changes the sound, makes it thinner. That's not a
good thing unless that's what you're going for. Some flamming
between different parts of the drumkit make it sound bigger. For
example if the kick and snare are a little bit off, it can make the
whole thing sound much bigger. Of course it's easy to just use your
software and line it all up and tell yourself that that's the way
it's supposed to sound." Both Vannucci and Price laugh when the
drummer states that the scariest words in the studio are "we'll fix
it later." Stuart also works very differently when it comes to rooms
and milking. Instead of using a ton of mikes, he'll use only a bare
minimum. "It's not overkill. Sometimes we'll record in the big room
and sometimes in a tiny little room. Believe it or not you can get a
really big sound with close mikes in a small room in you know what
you're doing," says Price. "I also think that the reason that the
band and I work so well together is that we don't have certain
attachments that other artists might have. The Killers can use
influences and sounds from twenty years ago without being
intimidated by them. I've worked with artists who feel the need to
avoid that because they have an emotional attachment due to their
age or whatever. The Killers find new and interesting ways to use
these things without feeling any negative vibe."
Ronnie eagerly agrees, stating that he ans always had an interest in
electronics/drum machines and integrating these sounds with organic
drums. Listening to the tracks one hears a blending of organic drums
with processors (to sound more electronic) and lush, big drum
sounds. There is quite a range on this record for The Killers. While
some songs sound like Hot Fuss, others sound like '70s tock
("Spaceman") and even dance influenced ("Vibration"), not in a
Timberlake/Timberland way, but in a "what if Steely Dan and Duran
Duran formed a band" way. The band and their drummer are definitely
stretching their reach.
The end result did come quick but not easy for Vannucci. True to his
word, instead of relying on Price to fix a track he would do as many
takes as needed to get the right vibe. The lion's share of the
recording was done in just over two weeks in Las Vegas. Start to
finish. It doesn't get more old school rock 'n' roll than that.
Whether it was the right part or the dynamics, Ronnie insisted that
he make it happen on the kit. He didn't want to ride the faders to
pull things out. "As a drummer you have to make it happen yourself,"
he says. All of those great records that I grew up listening to were
just a bunch of people in a room making music. Those guys had to
make that sound, they didn't have somebody to cut and paste it
together for them. That's one of the reasons that Steve Gadd is so
great. If you stick one mic in front of him, he'll get that sound
that he's known for. It's not a producer that makes him Steve Gadd,
it's because that's what he sounds like." The same mantra applies to
the sonic qualities of the drum sound on this record. Everything
from filtering the sounds of the acoustic kit through an old Simmons
unit and randomly twisting effects knobs, to taping a diaper to the
snare drum batter head, to Ronnie's signature dark cymbals and
18-inch (yes, 18-inch) hi-hats were part of the drummer creating the
drum sounds, not software.
READ MY MIND
Ronnie Vannucci is pretty fearless. To illustrate this point simply
check out the clips on YouTube of him breaking the news to fans at a
Denver concert that Brandon's voice was gone and the band would be
unable to perform that night. He states that the band felt awful
and, "There is no feeling in the world like being booed by 10,000
people." Viewing the clip you are hit by the man's bravery and
honesty. So what does scare someone with that kind of courage? Drum
Clinics!
Ronnie attended clinics by respected drummers like Louie Bellson and
Steve Smith as a youth, but states that he is not comfortable with
the idea of performing them. "There are guys like Jojo Mayer who
both teach and play very well, but they're a rare breed." In 2006
when UNLV asked him to perform as part of the P.A.S. Nevada Day of
Percussion he was apprehensive. At first he thought, "I'm the wrong
guy. I've been to clinics. I didn't know what I could contribute
that would be new." After contemplating it, he remembered how
inspired he had been by the way that Steve Gadd had been so open at
a drum clinic. The way that Gadd discussed and displayed his famous
grooves and concepts of playing songs spoke to Vannucci.
"I thought, I could do something like that. I could talk about the
drummer/bass player thing and my approach to playing for the song. I
had a friend playing bass with the Steel Band at UNLV and he had
some free time. I asked him to play with me. It went over very
well," states Vannucci. "The questions that were asked actually
taught me about myself. People would ask what I was thinking when I
came up with a part for '[Mr.] Brightside' or 'Natalie'. I learned
that I really don't think that much about it. It's not cerebral for
me. It's like dancing to the music."
Playing is much less of a thought process and more from the heart
for Ronnie. There is no studio versus live chops for him. Anyone who
has seen him play live can tell that he's a fiery, passionate
player. There is a focus that he gets that is difficult to explain
to students at a clinic. He says, "Drums are a transparent
instrument. If you're really immersed in the music, it's difficult
to not look like a complete spaz. I sometimes get embarrassed when
I'm recording. I'll finish a take and stare at the glass. It takes a
minute for me to come out of my rock-coma. It's about losing
yourself and finding the music. I never wanted to rule the world
with my flam fives. I just wanted to make great music." It's a
concept that is very difficult to relate in a clinic setting.
Although he considers his one (and only) foray into drum clinic a
success, he isn't rushing into a clinic tour. He prefers to leave it
to the masters. ("Simon Phillips is great, he has more talent in his
fingernail than I have in my whole body.") and concentrate on
playing in a band. He states "The guys I really relate to are great
in band situations. The four that I really love right now are
Charlie Drayton, Steve Jordan, Ahmir Thompson [Questlove] and J.J.
Johnson [John Mayer]. All of those guys are ridiculous drummers, but
it's their musical sense that really inspires me. Drayton doesn't
get nearly the amount of coverage he deserves.Maybe it's because he
plays bass so well (laughs)/ The new Al Green record that Questlove
did was a big source of inspiration for me in my approach to this
new Killer record. There are also guys like Stephen Perkins who I
listened to growing up and Brooks Wackerman who is Kind of a
contemporay of mine. All of those drummers are great, but it's what
they do in the context of making music in a band that inspires me
the most."
VIBRATION
While Vannucci is being affected by great drummers, his band, The
Killers, is influencing some of the biggest bands on the planet.
Both U2 and Coldplay gave the band a nod when they lifted the line
"I've got soul but I'm not a soldier" from the band's song "All The
Things That I've Done" in concert performances. "I didn't take that
as a sign that we'd made it. It was more of a 'you're doing well,
now don't screw it up'." says Vannucci. Still, it's great when you
get that kind of recognition. Ronnie recently experienced the same
thing when Zildjian asked him to perform at a ceremony in London
honoring the great Mitch Mitchell. He explains, "Mitch is one of my
all-time favorites. I love that lead drummer style that he has. It
was very influential to me early on. I'm actually pretty
uncomfortable with that kind of recognition." Considering all the
accolades he's been getting it's funny to hear Ronnie Vannucci say,
"I don't think of myself as having a huge impact on drumming and
music. I'm just a guy from Vegas that can play some drums."
GEARBOX
Drums
Craviotto Drums Solid Shell Walnut or Maple.
24" X 14" Kick
13" X 9" Rack
16" X 16" Floor
18" X 16" Floor
14" X 6.5" Snare Brass Diamond
14" X 6.5" Snare Mahogany (30 degree bearing edge)
14" X 6.5" Snare Walnut (30 degree bearing edge)
Cymbals
Zildjian
24" K light Ride
22" K Con Med Low Ride w/ 6 rivets
22" K Con Med Low Ride without rivets
18" K Con Crash as Top Hi-Hat
18" Breakbeat Ride as Bottom Hi-Hat
Hardware
DW
Heads
Remo
Racks & Floors - Vintage A Tops / Ambassador Bottoms
Snare - Vintage A
Kick - Suede PS3 / Fibreskyn PS3
Sticks
Zildjian
Ronnie Vannucci Model
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